lisa is a cheater?

ehhh bones don't talk about enemymodels with him, he is simply stupid, producers of quake 3 and mods planed and added it to game, it was usable in all tournaments lan and online ;p So this is problem to q3/ql game and mods producers not to us, we are only allowed to using this by them and we decided to use because it gives us better visibility %-) %-) Razor write your heresys to JOHN CARMACK, maybe he can change it for you, you have THE BEST ARGUMENTS so maybe... %-) %-) %-)

btw. i was starting to play q3 in 2004 and never heared about banned player for using "enemymodel" commands %-) %-) %-) even I ever saw that someone have problems about it earlier xdd you are first in my "CAREER" %-) %-) %-) maybe is that I never talked earlier with someone stupid and pointless like you, what you wan't from nearly death game, idiot from older brother of q3(q2) %-) %-) you are troublesome, your mouth should be closed forever in computer games and it will be helpful for whole e-gaming world %-) %-) %-)

youtube.com/watch?v=vfISD3GVJcQ - ??????????? FUCK!!!!!!!!! why this stupid fuckers using cheats on the biggest quake tournament of 2015????? IN FINAL!!!!!!!!!!!! SKIHAXES WILL DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

i will say first that i wont respond to idiot posts from idiot ziper as he shows obssession with me so i will just respond to u boones and ignore him totally

u say she had low acc? well i will just say that just keep that in mind the accuracy is counted for ALL weapons (hitscans and directhits of projectiles). so u cant tell someones accuracy for a single weapon. this is easier however on insta servers. as they would only show the acc of railgun there. one day i had plans to write a cgame dll for admins so u can filter per weapon accuracy on demo playback to easier catch cheaters on all weapons servers

i am aware of cg_forcemodel which is indeed a default quake3 command (but cg_enemymodel and cg_enemycolors are not)
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in 1.11 the cg_forcemodel forces all models to sarge while in 1.16 it forces all models to the one u use. unlike cg_enemymodel the cg_forcemodel will allow other players to see YOU just as well as YOU see them. if u use xray bones for forcemodel to see all players as xray bones then other players will see u as xray bones as well. with cg_enemymodel u can force a highly visible skin while using a dark skin urself. THIS gives YOU an advantage over players with the stock cd installation. tox for example used default visor which is extremely hard to see in some maps while he forced brightgreen tankjr or keel to see all players clearly. and this is what i point out as cheating and consider it cheating

i should say the only reason why the brightskins "skinhax" discussion was brought up is that i always get to hear that me and other players "sucks" at this game. and this is usually said by a skin cheater who had the visibility advantage (using a dark skin while he had brightgreen tankjr). in many situations the player was technically not even visible due to melting into a texture in the background. its pretty natural that they get the advantage with the first shot fired before u can react to see where it came from. and even if u did see where it came from the player may still be semi camoflaged due to a texture behind him or her which requires focus to see the player. and this affects the reaction time. anyone with brightskins can already see if the player is in sight or not. and no one who uses nemesis or noghost clients which supports brightskins with cg_enemycolors and cg_enemymodel has the right to say that someone who uses the cd installation (which many players still do though) "sucks" at this game when they have the visibility advantage

and i also took some screenshots. to show the effect of brownish models melting into the background of textures in the maps if we pretend xray bones (which is a bright greenish white model) is what all skin cheaters sees. and ranger (a brownish model pretty dark) is what we players with the cd installation sees most players as. note that "cd installation" doesnt refer to client version but means using only the pk3 that comes with the game or an official id patch update. without any community made client cgame files or pk3 files

i should say the ranger model is just an example of many brownish skins that melts into the background and the xray bones will be used as an example of a green or white brightskin. in the q3dm15 screenshot with ranger he is pretty much invisible due to a dark brown texture behind while in q3dm17 he is almost invisible. with the xray bones model example u can see the player clear as water

q3dm7:
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q3dm9:
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q3dm15:
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q3dm17:
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skin cheaters cant say players "sucks" if the players cant see their targets in the first place due to a texture camoflaging the targets. and i suggested para to set cg_enemycolors and cg_enemymodel to 0 instead of 1 serverside on the all weapons ffa server only as this would disallow noghost clients from using those commands according to the documentation and make the playing more fair to everyone. if they are used in noghost client forced servers. or leagues or whatever. thats a totally different story. and paras instagib scrim server requires noghost client to play there

skin cheater advantages:
1: they can put "cd installation" players into visibility disadvantages by putting a dark skin and then set brightskins themselves so they can see others better
2: faster reaction times as they dont have to focus to see players. they just shoot at the green spot. usually in my case. i spend a second or so trying to focus on that darkish spot i see before i press fire and by that time i am probably already shot
3: no blending of players models into the background. full visibility all the time
4: using clear bright green or white models contributes to the usage of third party color searching aimbots

using 1.16 over 1.11 do not give any advantage except that cg_forcemodel allows u to set the skin to what u are using instead of the hardcoded sarge model in the 1.11 cgame file. but any 1.16 ui.qvm and cgame.qvm files will work fully with the 1.11 version except for the qagame.qvm which is the game file used by the server only. but this file is still loaded on startup and incompatible version matches of qagame.qvm will most likely lead to a crash or a hang on client startup (even as a dedicated server). to use any pk3 files from newer point releases such as 1.16 for example. with the old 1.11 version. u would have to delete the qagame.qvm file in the pk3 file as the 1.11 version uses game version 3 while 1.16 uses game version 4 and this file is loaded on startup of quake3

i hope this clears up few things to why i see them as cheats. while i cant do anything about the usage i think anyone who uses noghost or nemesis clients should NOT take credit as a so called "good" player for using visibility advantage against "cd installation" players. and i know u or others will probably say that me or others can download it too. but why should we change our game bc other players chooses to cheat with things that dont come with the game? just saying. and yes i know very well that u didnt say it catch all cheaters. i was only pointing that out that dont even think about it as an anticheat

change game man, its only your own problem %-)

Razor wrote:i will say first that i wont respond to idiot posts from idiot ziper as he shows obssession with me so i will just respond to u boones and ignore him totally

u say she had low acc? well i will just say that just keep that in mind the accuracy is counted for ALL weapons (hitscans and directhits of projectiles). so u cant tell someones accuracy for a single weapon. this is easier however on insta servers. as they would only show the acc of railgun there. one day i had plans to write a cgame dll for admins so u can filter per weapon accuracy on demo playback to easier catch cheaters on all weapons servers

i am aware of cg_forcemodel which is indeed a default quake3 command (but cg_enemymodel and cg_enemycolors are not)
i65.tinypic.com/29co3lu.png (screenshot)

in 1.11 the cg_forcemodel forces all models to sarge while in 1.16 it forces all models to the one u use. unlike cg_enemymodel the cg_forcemodel will allow other players to see YOU just as well as YOU see them. if u use xray bones for forcemodel to see all players as xray bones then other players will see u as xray bones as well. with cg_enemymodel u can force a highly visible skin while using a dark skin urself. THIS gives YOU an advantage over players with the stock cd installation. tox for example used default visor which is extremely hard to see in some maps while he forced brightgreen tankjr or keel to see all players clearly. and this is what i point out as cheating and consider it cheating

i should say the only reason why the brightskins "skinhax" discussion was brought up is that i always get to hear that me and other players "sucks" at this game. and this is usually said by a skin cheater who had the visibility advantage (using a dark skin while he had brightgreen tankjr). in many situations the player was technically not even visible due to melting into a texture in the background. its pretty natural that they get the advantage with the first shot fired before u can react to see where it came from. and even if u did see where it came from the player may still be semi camoflaged due to a texture behind him or her which requires focus to see the player. and this affects the reaction time. anyone with brightskins can already see if the player is in sight or not. and no one who uses nemesis or noghost clients which supports brightskins with cg_enemycolors and cg_enemymodel has the right to say that someone who uses the cd installation (which many players still do though) "sucks" at this game when they have the visibility advantage

and i also took some screenshots. to show the effect of brownish models melting into the background of textures in the maps if we pretend xray bones (which is a bright greenish white model) is what all skin cheaters sees. and ranger (a brownish model pretty dark) is what we players with the cd installation sees most players as. note that "cd installation" doesnt refer to client version but means using only the pk3 that comes with the game or an official id patch update. without any community made client cgame files or pk3 files

i should say the ranger model is just an example of many brownish skins that melts into the background and the xray bones will be used as an example of a green or white brightskin. in the q3dm15 screenshot with ranger he is pretty much invisible due to a dark brown texture behind while in q3dm17 he is almost invisible. with the xray bones model example u can see the player clear as water

q3dm7:
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i64.tinypic.com/33kes1s.png

q3dm9:
i65.tinypic.com/qzeqkx.png
i67.tinypic.com/10hm53b.png

q3dm15:
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i68.tinypic.com/x1wmtk.png

q3dm17:
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i68.tinypic.com/280td8o.png

skin cheaters cant say players "sucks" if the players cant see their targets in the first place due to a texture camoflaging the targets. and i suggested para to set cg_enemycolors and cg_enemymodel to 0 instead of 1 serverside on the all weapons ffa server only as this would disallow noghost clients from using those commands according to the documentation and make the playing more fair to everyone. if they are used in noghost client forced servers. or leagues or whatever. thats a totally different story. and paras instagib scrim server requires noghost client to play there

skin cheater advantages:
1: they can put "cd installation" players into visibility disadvantages by putting a dark skin and then set brightskins themselves so they can see others better
2: faster reaction times as they dont have to focus to see players. they just shoot at the green spot. usually in my case. i spend a second or so trying to focus on that darkish spot i see before i press fire and by that time i am probably already shot
3: no blending of players models into the background. full visibility all the time
4: using clear bright green or white models contributes to the usage of third party color searching aimbots

using 1.16 over 1.11 do not give any advantage except that cg_forcemodel allows u to set the skin to what u are using instead of the hardcoded sarge model in the 1.11 cgame file. but any 1.16 ui.qvm and cgame.qvm files will work fully with the 1.11 version except for the qagame.qvm which is the game file used by the server only. but this file is still loaded on startup and incompatible version matches of qagame.qvm will most likely lead to a crash or a hang on client startup (even as a dedicated server). to use any pk3 files from newer point releases such as 1.16 for example. with the old 1.11 version. u would have to delete the qagame.qvm file in the pk3 file as the 1.11 version uses game version 3 while 1.16 uses game version 4 and this file is loaded on startup of quake3

i hope this clears up few things to why i see them as cheats. while i cant do anything about the usage i think anyone who uses noghost or nemesis clients should NOT take credit as a so called "good" player for using visibility advantage against "cd installation" players. and i know u or others will probably say that me or others can download it too. but why should we change our game bc other players chooses to cheat with things that dont come with the game? just saying. and yes i know very well that u didnt say it catch all cheaters. i was only pointing that out that dont even think about it as an anticheat

Your post is long and it's a little hard for me to reply on everything You wrote, so i'll just try to point out the most important things in my opinion.
1. When a player uses autofire his acc will be much bigger even on all weapons, because you will get much higher acc not only from railgun, but other weapons with fast speed ammo such as machinegun and shotgun. Earlier this year i banned a autoshooter that used nickname "GAYSTICKS". I knew instantly that he cheats not because of his rail gun shooting, but because of his machinegun, which killed me much faster, then it would on quad damage, and he didn't have quad damage. I don't remember seeing that from Lisa back then.
2. A player, that uses cg_forcemodel 1 with Bones default, doesn't make any difference for a player that plays on noghost, since that player will see his enemy the way he will set up cg_enemyModel and cg_enemyColor. If you don't want to use cg_forceModel 1 with Bones, then you can set up r_lightmap 1, and you will get white map textures, that will make you see better darkskin models.
3. I know how it is to play on baseq3. You don't have to explain me that. I play from 2003, so 4 years before noghost even came up. I played my share of games without "skinhax", as You call it. Enemy colors does help, sure, but if You think it will make You a much much better player overnight, then You are wrong. You still have to be good in aiming, moving and most importantly playing smart and experienced, and no mod or command will give you those skills. People have no problems downloading cheats, so why they don't download mods instead?. Maybe it's because they still play poorly on them?
4. If someone says You suck, then i suggest You just ignore him or gently troll him. It always works for me . And i still don't understand what's the problem with downloading and installing noghost. It is free and available for everyone. If you are a hardcore 1.11 fan, no problem. But if you choose to play on noghost servers you have to accept, that you will have disadventage against players with mod.
5. When i switched from 1.11 to 1.16 i surely did play a little better, so i do think it gives you an adventage. And since people with deep pocket and knowledge play on much better equipment then average player anyway, the "give equal chances for win to everyone" thing is noble, but nothing more then a pipedream. You get equal chances only on tournaments playing in the same building on the same equipment, and not on public servers.

i must say first of all i applaud u for an excellent feedback. ok lets address part by part here

1:
i see u say that the acc can be bigger on all weapons. thats very correct. but also remember there are probably many different auto shooters. some can have filters to only work with specific weapons. when crash was around. he had two different auto shooters. one worked with all weapons. the other one would only with with shotgun and rail. and this makes sense actually. the cgame source definitely allows a player to add weapon filters if needed. hell. any cheat programmers could probably add more filters than that. perhaps maybe firing the weapon automatic just sometimes to make it look more legit. and i remember GAYSTICKS. and i even remember once when he connected on q3dm6. and u kickbanned him in february or march. and then i asked u why he was banned. and u said he was someone who had cheated on the server before. same thing for that husqvarna player

Husqvarna was kickbanned
Razor: why?
Boones: he was shuffeling with af
Razor: wtf
Razor: lol
Boones: i am prety sure he switched on and off af
Razor: i already suspected something two maps ago
Boones: when i go too spec he could kill anything and when i came back he killed me with rail and machingun instantly
Razor: lol

Boones: btw ecch is plamen i think:)
Boones: but strangly hes playing clean:)
Razor: xD
Razor: plamen hax?
LagMeUpScotty!: he hasnt smiled yet
Boones: hahaho yes but not on this server adleast not yet:)
LagMeUpScotty!: dont think he hax
Boones: lol i have seen him many times use wh
Razor: for real?
LagMeUpScotty!: ok
Boones: he cheated for sure but not here
Boones: yeah

2:
i am aware of all quake commands lol. i have been programming with the quake sources for many many years so i know alot about this game

3:
i am sure u know about the time before noghost. and u are also aware of the disadvantages of cd installation players. but also remember i only mentioned the few advantages it gives. and i did not say it would give u more skills or better aim or good jump skills

4:
i am actually using 1.16n and not the 1.11 version. the 1.11 version doesnt resize the scoreboard though. when there are too much players on the server. which the newer 1.16 version do. and u are right. technically i will only have to blame myself for playing on a mod quake server where this is allowed to use. but i will just say that i am much for fairplay so therefore i may have this so called "obsession". pardon me. and yes i am a hardcore quake player who just plays a clean cd installation updated from 1.11 to 1.16n

Well that was a lot to read...
I will go straight to the point.
There is no evidence of Lisa cheating so I don't really see the whole point of the topic.
The ref pass is changed. I will give the new pass to Boones and possibly others later.
razor and ziper should hug and make up
Client side NoGhost is not a cheat. It became the standard in 1.16 many many years ago. If you don't accept it then you are a few years too late to the party. And really, if you are a bit good at creating a config you can make just as bright visible enemies with out of the box q3, you can't make them green, but shiny red or blue is just as visible.
Also with the NoGhost client side mode comes client side delag which will make autofire easier to spot.

i am just curious. but i respect ur decision however. but what was the actual reason for the ref pass to be changed? u just took it away without telling me and lisa the exact reason why. oh well. boones do a great job with it as well

If 2 referees have issues with eachother it doesn't really send a good messages to the general public.

@Para he still talking in sv about this shit things like here, so he still harasing others, for example i use this command so in his words im "hacker" he finded one friend to his "shitbox"( because all others don't want to talk with him already) and drags this shit whole time in public, he have many private chats, in game too(i said about it to him, he replied "ignore it" or something like that), we all accepting this commands for years so where is the point to hear this shit turned to us side? Never give him refree again, now he is painted like little girl, he thinked that he was the best admin because was sitting 24h on sv (spectating mostly) and check people like POLICEMAN XDDD 2 banned cheaters but many more problems with your life complexes which you want to heal in COMPUTER GAME XDDD

Timelimit hit.
Fuck all muslims renamed to PLAMEN
PLAMEN: ahaha
Razor: lulz

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plamen cheats on the server right now and ziper spoofs my alias and attacks players on the server. excellent decision
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ziper causing problems in the server. just remember how much he have complained about me without any proofs posted

Razor: the topic is only 'pointless' as long as there are no demos
ziPer: talk with only toxic idiot
tox: ziper, you are creating trouble for no reason now
ziPer: don't want to hear about me and others that we are cheaters because we using allowed commands
ziPer: by this stupid shit talking about 2 commands
ziPer: i played many games for my skill
ziPer: you are on sv 24 in day
Razor: how do u make that 24?
ziPer: pointless pointless pointless
ziPer: pointless pointless pointless
ziPer: pointless pointless pointless
ziPer: pointless pointless pointless
ziPer renamed to POINTLESS_RAZOR_BOT
Razor: u have no longer any rights to complain about me
POINTLESS_RAZOR_BOT: and shut up shitty razor talking about it because even admins don't want to hear this things xDDD
POINTLESS_RAZOR_BOT: what you want to do with your stupid talking?
Razor: u will get a topic too
POINTLESS_RAZOR_BOT: anyone never change this for you xDDD
Razor: u always play the VICTIM card
POINTLESS_RAZOR_BOT: because its allowed from always xD you must accept it
Razor: doesnt look like a victim now are u?
POINTLESS_RAZOR_BOT renamed to >=D
>=D: lol now tox is raz best friend
>=D: want to talk about this whole shit
Razor: have fun talking to urself /ignored
tox: no, i just look at both point of views, not just mine
>=D: all others don't
>=D: and its not cheat
>=D: since producers allowed us to use this xdd
>=D: and you always will be a crying shitty small brain razor xDDDDD
>=D: and can't play to end if he lose much with me
>=D: xD
>=D disconnected
tox: he is soo fking annoying man
Razor: yes

and PLAMEN aka MERT is still playing and no admins around
MERT renamed to PLAMEN
PLAMEN: tox reatrder autoshot muhaha
PLAMEN: haha cheater down
tox: this is horse shit
tox: brb

Plamen entered the server something like 5 times already. Was calling people names and cheating at the same time.
This is what i feared earlier, i hang around on other rail servers and i cant even count how many times cheaters enter there and ruin the fun. This server was the only one where cheaters could not roam free. For example in ctf cccp server there are like 3 different cheaters and if you hang around for 3-4 games, you will surely find one.
Razor was doing an excellent job i must say of keeping the server cheater free(especially free of that plamen guy). Now he is coming and just insulting everyone

i poste some logs of ziper spoofing me

Razor: thats idiot ziper spoofing me (me talking)
Razor: you want to something from my ass?
Razor: because i want your penis
Razor renamed to UnnamedPlayer (me changing name)
Razor: i liked too muted ziper for winning maps but now i haven't refree pass
Razor: and can't mute him and spam to him
PLAMEN: RAZOR blind ? tOX autoshot!!!
UnnamedPlayer: <= real razor xd
PLAMEN: HAHAHAHA ziper is good player played more time quake live
Razor: fuck my whole life :/
Razor: what can i do now with my life complexes :/
Razor: where is ziper that fucker?
Razor: where is ziper that fucker?
Razor: where is ziper that fucker?
Razor: where is ziper that fucker?
Razor: ZIPER FUCKER, where are you?
Razor: are you here?
PLAMEN: haha you fereind lisa is noob
Razor: where is ziper?
Razor: here raz
Razor: the no admin anymore
Razor: but still happy
Razor: !@
Razor: <suicide>
UnnamedPlayer: zyndram thats ziper spoofing my alias
Razor: Zyndram dont talk with him
Razor: he is ziPer
UnnamedPlayer: hey tox its me razor
tox: zyndram he is ziper, unnamed is razor
Razor: i can show his ip
UnnamedPlayer: since i was admin i know what ip tox's ip starts with
UnnamedPlayer: the answer is: 117
Razor: yeah but old times

%-)

poor razor <chlip chlip> good try to became referee one more time %-)

sad razi, no kicking and mutting me for no reasons, no spamming to me "ziper noob" when i was muted by you and can't answer(for no reason too, only for my nickname or wins) xdd you thinked that you were untakeable, you overuse this but now you can feel in others's place and it's painful %-) %-) still you bring a confusion on the server, still talking shit about other peoples settings but the most you complaing now about 'how bad was decision to take from you referee password' , because "now server is full of cheaters and all harasing someone eachother".... %-) %-) %-)

Well zip the server did have cheater today. Plamen was there the whole time when you were there. Also you were mocking raz for no reason at all, but that's not as bad as cheating plamen laughing in the faces of honest players while using his af openly.

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Well according to you, there has been someone cheating there for 9 months now and nobody did a thing for that long. So im not really impressed by plamens cheats anymore really.

And ziper, for someone who keeps calling someone else a child, that isn't really adult behaviour.

Suspected cheater and flat out cheaters are two different things. Plamen laughs in the face and says no one can ban me now, ill cheat openly, not to mention he insults every single player on the server.. very easy to spot when a person himself cheats and proudly declares.

On the other hand for a suspected cheater who rarely plays and also happens to be the ref, it gets kind of hard since firstly not many demos can be recorded and secondly no one wants to accuse a ref(not even refs themselves due to the reason u gave, that it feels wrong for two refs to have a stressed relation). Also she is suspected to cheat with the rail in hand and she only really plays dm7 seriously as the rail map(sometimes dm17). Among so many map rotations it would take time to make sure(again, he had to make sure as she happens to be the ref)

I'm not saying i know lisa cheats for sure, she just has insane rail which is obviously no proof, but you raised a point about someone cheating and not being banned or accused. It's not a new thing, merky was considered a cheater for years but was never really banned as he was the admin himself, not to mention that he played a LOT more than she does so it was even easier to get proof. I personally have never seen someone treating his co equal just like any other player, like refs don't really publicly accuse other refs until they make completely certain. If i was a cheating ref in a server and i rarely played then i'm sure i could get off for the whole life and no one would really even point fingers at me. I think the fact that raz has even let his concerns out is pretty good. He wanted to assure himself fully before posting anything about the ref of the server, i think that's fair and in no way shows any careless ref behaviour. Just my thoughts

To me when someone after 9 months says that someone is cheating and after 9 months has nothing to back it up is extremely careless. As you can see, it only causes trouble. And as there is no evidence, there is nothing I can do. Yeh I can spec her, which I did. And there is nothing that even looked a little bit like autofire. But then others can say "maybe she didn't do it this time but she did other times." and then I still have nothing to work with. And all you are left with is more q3 drama. Ziper seems to be happy now though, atleast untill he realises I do kick name thiefs.

Many admins have banned merky before or refused to play against him. I havn't. In fact i trickjumped a lot with him on my server, para tricks. But he probably cheats in defrag too huh? And btw. The H$ servers weren't even his.